It is properly known to some that Kaospilot used to have offsprings in Europe. At the height of our expansion we had two schools in Sweden, one in Norway and even a dutch chapter in Rotterdam. For many reasons the time wasn’t ripe then for such a large operation, but the basic idea of being present in more locations, and the innovations that could occur between the schools still felt right. So much so that Matti Straub-Fischer from Team 3  brought Kaospilot to his hometown Bern in Switzerland, where our sister-school ( ) opened its doors to a brand new team on the 1st of October 2012.

This team is now in their second year and ready to take on the schools first “Outpost” in collaboration with Team 19 from Aarhus. We are very excited about this “joint journey” and took the opportunity to interview Anna and Jan – two of the great students from the Swiss chapter – while they were in Aarhus to meet up and coordinate with their new traveling-buddies.

KP: Maybe you can just shortly introduce yourself.
A: Hi Im Anna. I am 27, from Germany and studying in Bern.
J: Im Jan, 23 y.o. I come from Bern originally.

KP: Tell me a little bit about why you chose to go to Kaospilot?

A: I tried a lot of things out before the Kaospilot, I studied at the university and I was working first for a skate-shop then a tattoo-shop – I tattooed people, I was traveling a lot. I always thought something was missing. I could either go for my academic side and loose my creative interests or go totally for the creative side and then loos kind of the book-studies – I really love to dig into theories – And then I heard about the Kaospilot at a very weird space. It was actually at a tattoo convention I ran off ‘cause I was kicked out of the tattoo-shop and I met a girl at a coaching seminar that took place the same weekend so I signed up there and she told like: “ You should really be a Kaospilot!” I just read up on it and I thought that will be the place where I can merge all my talents together hopefully and create a very vivid life where I don’t have the feeling one or the other part is missing.

J: Thats a good question. I think it started when I was at my basic-school. That was a private school that had values like respect and a lot of creativity. Later I went to  economic-school in Bern and I always thought I wanted to go in the direction of economy and entrepreneurship but at economic-school we just learned a lot of capitalistic things I thought was interesting but I was disappointed that we would only be introduced to one viewpoint. So I was looking for a study that had economy in it but I didn’t want to turn into this manager-type in the usual sense of the word. First I found a school in London  – European School of Economics – which had all these thoughts like “make your dream come true” that really spoke to me. Then a friend of mine called Jonas said “Just apply for the Kaospilot!” I thought it sounded interesting so had to find out what it was about.  I went on the website of the Danish school and read a lot. I thought; this is almost matching all my values so this will be the right thing to do. When I found out it opened in Bern I got really excited that a school with these types of values would open here because Switzerland is known to be quite conservative. So its just such a good thing for my hometown.

KP: Could you share a little about how it is to be the first team – the people landing on the moon?

A: I guess it has a lot of advantages. We are about to co-create the school and to shape a lot of the culture that is in our school. It has some disadvantages as well because I just so much enjoy being here in Aarhus and having a huge ground to play around with ideas or just meeting up with people. I mean the whole school as it is when Team 1, Team 2 and the staff is as big as the organization we are about to create for the outpost – so you can imagine what that means. Sometimes its cool to have somebody to give advice or to get advice from actually and but it has gotten a lot better now that Team 2 has arrived. It is very interesting to be in this position where you are talking a lot about start-up and new businesses and other types of businesses and then at the same time you are a start-up and you are just in the middle of it while you are learning about it. That is a very interesting twist.

KP: So the whole “hands-on-approach” is definitely real for you guys – you are living the start-up while doing it. You are going through the same curriculum, but with a few differences – could you share a little bit about what is different in the Bern-program?

J: That’s a good question and honestly I don’t know everything about the culture in Aarhus and the details of the curriculum but certainly the Tribal Mind-aspect is something that people from here has also heard about. It is very important to our headmaster – he is himself in a program with a native american teacher. To bring this whole connection to nature, what does it mean to be a tribe, what does it mean to not be in a pyramid-shaped system but to have a system that allows every voice to be heard and there is no compromises, so we all agree on the way we are going to take the step forward. This is properly the main difference which I see, that we have spend a lot of time over the 1 1/2 years to find out what is this. Also it challenges a lot our mindset and worldview.

A: I think one very obvious difference is the structure of the day because we still have morning-practice being half an hour yoga, check-in and meditation and we are ending the day with a check-out as well. We are used to talk a lot more because we are 11 in our team – than when you are 37. And as Jan said the council guide training is the main difference and I think its interesting how it shows. After this almost 1 1/2 years of this council guide training our team is a bit more relaxed when it comes to uncertainties because we are just thrown into uncertain situations all the time.


J: We don’t have the infrastructure that Aarhus has yet. As students we have to look for the financing. This can be quite heavy on our shoulders because we have to organize these things for ourselves so when it comes to homes in Cape Town for the Outpost that might not be ready in a few weeks time when we arrive we are like “no problem – it will work out..”


KP: What are you looking forward to on the Outpost in Cape Town?


J: Everything! I think its not only going to be cool that we are in a new setting – again – another town, another culture. But also I am looking forward to take on the challenges together with the new organization with all these new people I just got to know. Its going to be an adventure – I don’t know how to describe it otherwise, because I don’t know what is going to happen.

A: I am really looking forward to experience how fruitful the connection between the two teams will turn out. Just to learn from the other team and give to the other team and what emerges. That is my main interest. To test the council guide training how to move in circles and not pyramids because we have build our Outpost Organization-structure quite like that till now. Its a very flat hierarchy and I really wonder if that is going to work out all the way (laughs) – I hope so!