One question we often hear is: What does a Kaospilot-education actually lead to? 
A good question indeed with many possible answers. One of them is coming from Luca Rasmussen, partner manager at “23” ( . We met up with Luca in a beautiful old apartment in the Nørrebro district of Copenhagen. One could easily be fooled into believing we were sitting in a tasteful private home, but in fact we were at the office of the  fast growing tech-company that has two graduated Kaospilots in important positions:  We will meet the companies CEO Ditte Wulff in a later edition, but now its time to meet Luca. 


KP: Hey Luca, what have you been doing since you finished at the school?


LR: Wow… I have been doing a lot of things. So basically  when I finished the school I went to Island to kind of zoom out – it’s very intense to go to school at the Kaospilots – like three long and intense and really, really cool years – so I had to get away from everything and figure out what did I actually get out of it –  and what have I actually spend my time on? That was my first priority: doing nothing. Which I am very thankful for. After that I did a lot of different things, primarily within the culture industry – the cultural entrepreneurship area – so I became a part of a group called “Young Advisors for the Cultural Minister” so I was – and still am – at the Cultural Ministry where I am advising on cultural legislation and new ways of working around culture in Denmark. I also joined a cultural committee where I am handing out money to young people doing projects in Copenhagen – did a lot of that stuff – and then I started working at “23” where I am now. I actually started as something completely different. I was hired in to hire people but did a lot of different things and now I am running the partner segment in “23”.


KP: Kaospilot is obviously an education that leads to many different places. How have you made use of the different skills the schools gave you – or what you took away from the school?


LR: That is the million dollar question. I think a thing that I have taken on or I have brought forward is kind of a mindset. Its a mindset of constantly being on the edge of what you can do, what you don’t know how to do yet. So its like you are almost always on the verge of falling, but you keep pushing yourself, keep doing new things, keep trying out new things, keep learning new things. I think that is a super important mindset. That mindset combined with something completely different which is the respect towards doing things in a prober way: respecting relations, respecting business-partners, respecting colleagues  and so on, combined with constantly wanting to change the status quo. I think that is the key thing I have taken forward.


KP: That sounds like quite a bit. It is now 4 1/2 years ago since you were considering whether or not you should take on this education. What sort of advice would have been helpful to you – the younger Luca – from where you are sitting now, to figure out if this was a place for you?


LR: First of all I was a very young Luca. I was 20 y.o. when I got in, turned 21 when I started. During my time at Kaospilot I taught at different universities in Europe around the subject of cultural entrepreneurship, and you always get the question: “So why did you apply to something like that? You don’t know what it is. Nobody can really describe it. Why should you then do it?”. I always said: – and it still makes sense to me – “I kinda applied because I felt that something in me wanted to apply but I didn’t know what – so I had to apply to figure out: What is it that attracted me to it.”. So that is a key thing. If I look 4 1/2 years back on what I could have done, or what I could  have known? Not that much actually. I think it’s a choice and either you make the choice or you don’t.  I made the choice of applying to the Kaospilot. If you don’t want to make that choice you shouldn’t apply to the Kaospilot – that at least how I see it. Then you can make it easier to make that choice and for me that was very much about trying to get to the workshop – which is before you get in to the Kaospilot – where the school select the students. Because then you get a small taste: You get like 0.0001% of what the school is about, but maybe that 0.0001% can make it easier for you to make that choice. But choice is essential.


KP: So that is the big decision: to be willing to just see what happens?


LR: Yes, and for me personally – I can only speak for myself – the school is very much like: If you want to get something out of it, you got to put something into it. What you “put in to it” can also be the decision of trying it out, or giving it a fair chance. If you come in with a super skeptical mindset: You don’t really know if you want to spend time on it, you don’t really know if you actually want to be there, then it can be really hard to get powerful things out of it. Making that choice was me very much about finding somebody in my network that had some association with the Kaospilot. I had a friend – actually from Ditte my CEO’s team – called Mads, a very talented musician. I knew that he has good taste, and I liked the way that he was doing things, so I asked him if he was happy about the school and he said that he thought it was a place for me – and I was very happy about it as well. So find somebody in your network that has either worked with Kaospilots or has gone to the school or taught at the school and then ask them how it is.


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